Its been a while since i have done anything at all on dA, for personal reasons. But this just happened to me and i felt the need to share with everyone I know.

My friend posted a question on a mutual friend's facebook wall concerning gay marriage and premarital sex and the Catholic church's view. Since this friend will be joining a convent in august she seemed like the person to ask. But one of her friends, a girl who is already nun replied, where she was uninvited her post deeply offended me as a future gay rights activist (when i become a famous author i will be huge on this issue) by her demeaning and judgmental attitude, i was also offended as nerd by her use of the word "alien" as you will see.

Ben's question: So why is being gay alright with the catholic church but not premarital sex or living together or anal if its straight anal?

Bekah (his girl friend's comment): these are all legitimate points. i don't particularly feel like i'm living in sin.

Sr. Humbeline (uninvited nun - her actual name there): what's the question here... I can't follow. But, if sexual purity is in question, it is in every situation- gay, straight married, single. Here's the thing: fornication is any unclean sex act. this includes anything that can not lead to conception since that is what the sexual act is 'for'. yes, that means anything...in the law that was given to Moses a man could not 'waste' his semen and had to purify himself (reminds me of confession) if he had a nocturnal emission. women were 'unclean' during menstruation... cause the likelihood of conception was so slim.
the best thing to illustrate are the words of Jesus:
"not everyone has room for it. but I tell you the truth"
.... and the church- His bride with whom HE is perfectly PURE and CHASTE (not just pleasuring himself) giving life freely. Imagine if Jesus started messing with aliens. it would degrade him. it would degrade US. Thank God for His PURITY and Chaste LOVE for us

ben's reply to that bullshit: i grew up in church, and though i'm protestant, i was under the impression that many of the statutes of the old testament (such as the "wasted semen" passage) were contextual to the time period and must be looked at in that light.
also, by aliens, do you mean those outside of the church? i was slightly confused by your phrasing.

me (taking more offensive that i should but I do not regret it): Benjamin, it should be perfectly obvious that the lovely Sister meant Martians or Asgard, for she must mean people from outer space when she uses the term “aliens” because if she were referring to anything other than little green people it would be a horribly racist term full hate. And of course, we all know that the Catholic Church is completely incapable of hatred. Just look at the inquisition and the witch trials? In a religion that is centered on pure love, hatred could never enter the equation. Because all people are flat and one-dimensional and are completely uncomplicated, they are incapable of complex behaviors and emotions. Oh, wait, that’s not right, is it?
I remember now, people are insatiably complicated and no part of them is more so than the most powerful emotion that we are capable of feeling, which is love. And love is (if I recall correctly – it has been a while since last attended mass) the deepest and most central part of the bible. The bible tells us that Jesus loved us so much that he gave his life to safe us; He loved us in a way no human could ever comprehend. He was a message of hope and joy and salvation so I, personally, doubt that He hated the gays. I think He likes them a very great deal, probably more so than the thousands of mindless drones who attend mass in His name once a week, with little more than annoyance in their hearts and who have forgotten the love that He gave to them. The ones you seemingly refer to as “aliens”, sister, are a group of people who have found love in the face adversity, something I think that Jesus can relate to based on His story.
Love no matter what the form is pure and is a way for humans all over this earth; be they Catholic, Protestant, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu or any other, to reclaim the love that the God above bestowed upon us. And love that powerful can never degrade us; love can never be anything but pure. So you can say that being gay conflicts with your religion, which I am sure that it does. But don’t ever; I am never, say again that it could degrade humanity. So you can just go ahead and follow Rick Santorum’s misguided idiocy and believe all you want that homosexuality is a threat of some kind. But I can assure it is it now. I have never heard of legions of gay people going from door to door, passing out propaganda or asking for money nor have I seen any reports on the news of gay couples breaking into some peaceful Christian household and start fucking each other in the ass right in front of the family. They are no threat and them finding love in their own way could NEVER DEGRADE US.
You can believe all you want that God in heaven above thinks homosexuality is wrong. I mean it says so in the bible so how could it possibly be wrong? Never mind that it was written a thousand years ago for people who, for all we know, we bring camels and snapping turtles into camp and asking the rabbi to marry them. Oh if the word “rabbi” confuses you there, remember you’re quoting the Jewish Bible there, it wasn’t even written for Catholics, the New Testament was. People back there were probably fucked up enough that they had to write down that marriage was to be between a man and a woman and they had to tell people when it was okay to “fornicate”.
And a lot of ideas in the bible are no longer held today. Women are not “unclean” while menstruating, in fact is a symbol of womanhood and woman power, it represents fertility and the ability to conceive, which is the whole point of having sex or making love, there’s that word again – love. You can forget that God made us what we are today; He was the one who made it pleasurable to make love. Clearly, that is a sign that is pure evil and must be hated – wait it’s the Catholic Church supposed to NOT hate things, I am so confused. Sex is not dirty or degrading in a way. It is an act of love and unity that God wanted us to feel and cherish. It is sacred no matter what form it takes.
I do not want this be read as an attack, which it maybe in someone ways. You are free to feel and believe what you want and even to tell other people these things. But this should serve as a warning that the next time you join in a conversation you were not invited into that you are playing with fire and will get burned. If you insult that which you do not approve of you should expect to be insulted by those very things which you did not show any compassion towards. Know that from my perspective you are the “alien”. So you can just keep you hatred away from me, if you don’t mind.
But before this turns into some big huge argument get this last little bit straight, file it away safe inside your head: Judge not lest ye be judged. That’s from the bible, you judge all those who do things that you do not consider right and thus you have put yourself in a position to be judged, not by me but by the God for which you spoke, I am merely the one to point out to you that the self-righteousness that I perceive in your post is far from right. You are allowed to believe in your set of moral, which is a fine and good thing to do but never in this country can you impose your beliefs or those morals on any other human being who was created equal in the eyes of God Himself. And know this, you can rant back at me all you like and will read everything you write but I will never respond after this for the human spirit is unyielding and I can be as stubborn in my beliefs as you can be your own. The human heart cannot be broken or changed by the thoughts that you possess, not mine, not your own nor any of the many homosexual people that were placed on this earth by God, so treat your neighbors as you would like to be treated.

Ben again: You did mean AssGuard right? Sold by the super anal protection society

me: i love you, ben, you know that?

the beloved bekah: *applauds* well said, cait.
while cait's major issue is the matter of homosexual rights, which i think she covered quite well, i just wanted to say something regarding "fornication."
i think marriage is important, i really do, and we fully intend to get married in the not too distant future...but whether or not i have a ring on my finger doesn't change how i feel about my man one bit.
sometimes, life gets in the way, and circumstances arise (financial or otherwise) that prevent couples from marrying at the drop of a hat. this certainly doesn't mean that these couples don't love one another deeply, it simply means that, sometimes, marriage has to be put on hold for a time.
the last thing on earth that i need, really, is a piece of paper telling me i can legally have sex with the man i love. as cait so aptly said, sex is sacred no matter what the precise circumstances because it it the ultimate physical expression of the love two people feel for one another, and i fail to entirely understand how a gold band and a piece of a dead tree alter that.

and benjamin the great: Oh and one last thing that it is probably good to keep in mind sister is that pious pride comes before a fall and just remember Jesus really liked hanging out with the drunks and whores and (as i understand it they were considered the worst kind of sinners) tax collectors in his day, he didnt care much for overly zealous church goers

me: and you should think about how it would feel to constantly hear that God does not love you like He loves other people, that you are evil in some way because of what it is your heart

Sister Humpsalot: Thank you for your intensely rude and mean spirited remarks.

Kae, the mutual friend: my wall is officially off limits.